Baka Black! ([info]ayaseyue) wrote,
@ 2008-03-28 13:12:00
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Current location:Brandon's apartment
Current mood: contemplative

Okay... this is weird.
http://bunchofnerds.com/2007/07/video/ahhhhhh-real-dolls-documentary-creeps-us-out/

Hmmmm. Okay I don't know if it was more A) Creepy B) Funny or C) Just Plain Sad

It is kinda weird. In the comments on the page you see people being like 'It isn't creepy, they can do whatever they want. At least they aren't hurting anyone.' Which is true and I agree, but I have a problem when they say 'At least they are happy.' because if you watch that thing, they clearly ARE NOT. You can tell by listening to them when they talk, they all say the same thing 'It is better than being alone.' they don't say it in a happy way, they are clearly people who have given up on even trying to have relationships with people, men or women because it doesn't seem like any of them have ANY friends. And know what disturbs me more, the way they do talk about women, their views are obviously VERY skewed and it is probably their generalizations that make it so they can't get a good woman, they don't care because they have these preconceived notions and would turn off any woman they talked too with them as well. These are people that have given up hope, not because they think it will make them happier but because they don't have another choice. And a couple of them do have some obviously latent issues they need dealt with.

And you can be okay with it and still find it fucking creepy, they are having a pretend relationship with a doll! They need to grow up. No it isn't much different than a fucking blow up doll, which I find creepy as well, these things just look more real.

It is funny though to watch, I laughed a lot, really hard, because of these people just sounding stupid or ridiculous. Honestly, it is really like 'How can you really believe something like that?!' It really is ridiculous.

It made me think about, which is ironic since Brandon and I were talking about it on the drive back here, how people are saying by the year 2050 robot marriages will be legal. Which makes me think about persocoms because that is essentially what we'll have by then, computers that have, more or less, humanoid bodies. They were saying some people will inevitably fall in love and want to marry them. In some ways, it is just a step above the people in that documentary, except there is more of an illusion of talking to a real person, because they would be able to move on their own, they could speak even if they are just doing so because of a program, they could mimic emotion so they would just be a moving, speaking, doll. I think somehow people are more okay with that even though they are basically the same. It is kinda strange.

Basically, in lots of ways I think it is better those people go on having their pretend relationships with those unmoving, unfeeling, unloving dolls rather than hurt real people... but babies die when they don't have human interaction, when they aren't held and loved... so aren't these people just slowly killing themselves? And even further than that... is that a good or bad thing?

Just a little thought after watching that documentary. We didn't finish it last night either since Brandon was so creeped out but we did skip so that we pretty much saw the rest of the important parts.




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[info]xiltconn
2008-03-28 07:02 pm UTC (link)
I personally thought it was a tad screwed up. The funny thing is, some of those guys seemed like hardcore otaku and/or hikkikomori types.

I've never had a relationship with a girl but I don't think I'd go that far.

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[info]ayaseyue
2008-03-29 02:50 am UTC (link)
Most of those guys are those types. The one guy takes all the pictures with his dolls, that one pretty much makes pornos with them, the first guy obviously knows something about Japanese culture from his talking about which dolls were better.

And it is one thing to have never had a relationship... its another to just give up and be like 'All women just want money' 'All women want a good looking guy who smokes, drinks, and watches sports.' they've all just plain given up. It is sad and pathetic but I can't totally call them freaks because they are lonely, they're just going about it the wrong way to fix it.

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[info]the_mantic0r3
2008-03-28 07:19 pm UTC (link)
I'm a pretty open-minded guy, but there are boundaries. There's a difference between being socially/romantically inept and just having an illness that causes you to isolate yourself from another human being.

Plus, you just really can't explain one being in your closet.

In other news, I still find the lolita real dolls to be far more eerie....

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[info]ayaseyue
2008-03-29 03:01 am UTC (link)
I know, I am very open minded myself but... I dunno. I can rationalize it in some ways like the whole 'it is essentially a blow up doll' thing, but yeah, like you said, they are so socially/romantically inept they make believe these dolls are real... I mean, they KNOW they aren't, they all say 'It is better than being alone' which means they KNOW the dolls aren't real or a substitute for interacting with real people but they choose to just give up and play with dolls instead.

And I agree about the lolita dolls... I think this is creepy just hearing the way they talk about them, and seeing them hang the dolls on the hooks and shit D:

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[info]jcfreakish
2008-03-28 10:32 pm UTC (link)
Um... Part of me is really really amused, but at the same time it's so sad, and creepy, and I get this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach, like a viceral reaction. Very icky, and very unnatural.

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[info]ayaseyue
2008-03-29 04:39 am UTC (link)
I know, there were many times I just couldn't stop laughing at some parts... but it is sad and creepy. Like they are having a relationship with something not living, it is like saying a plant or a piece of furniture is your girl friend, if people did that their families would have them committed... but this is somehow 'okay'. I dunno, I have a lot of mixed feelings about it too.

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[info]starrynight182
2008-03-29 01:32 am UTC (link)
I've always thought I was fairly open-minded, but this really did creep me out. It made me sad the way the first guy had just plain given up on real girls, and it grossed me out the way they talked to them and treated them like they were real. I've never felt myself be so blatantly un-accepting of anything, but that really did it for me.

*shudder*

I think what really bothers me is that just by these dolls existing, it enables people to be okay with giving up.

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[info]ayaseyue
2008-03-29 04:49 am UTC (link)
I know, it is a double edged sword, in some ways the dolls are good, in some ways they aren't any different than a blow up doll or a pocket pussy. The thing is they encourage the behavior of these people to become even more anti-social... and the thing is a blow up doll is made for sex... these things obviously aren't made to just be a sex toy, at least I don't think so, they made them so these people can actually LOVE them, with the way they talk to them they put on a good act, but when they talk about how lonely they are then you can tell they know they are really alone...

I dunno, it is kinda like the whole 'Cruel to be kind' they are helping these people but they are also hurting them since they are kinda making it all worse.

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[info]starrynight182
2008-03-29 08:16 am UTC (link)
I concur.

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Loving Dolls
(Anonymous)
2008-03-29 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Just think Jeff Dahmer used to kill boys because he was so lonely he didn't want them to leave him after he had sex with them. It's terrible to feel THAT alone,however if you isolate yourself to that degree it can only mean bad things. What hope is there for human kind? If they were the last living beings on Earth, humanity would be wiped out because they would be socially inept.That is totally creepy.

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Re: Loving Dolls
[info]ayaseyue
2008-03-29 07:10 pm UTC (link)
Indeed, I think that is part of what makes it so creepy. And yes, they are only making themselves more alone by choosing to live with these dolls rather than real human beings.

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